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NFL Week 2 Total Line Movement Results

Here’s how the total line movement played out against the actual results.

This is the last week we’ll be using Oddsshark. Starting this week we’ll switch to Pinnacle.

Just a reminder of terminology:

  • Open date: 1 week prior to game day
  • Mid: Any change between open and 1 day prior to game day
  • Late: Any change 1 day prior to game day

Summary

  • Midweek line adjustments: 6-10 (-4) (YTD: 12-15 (-3))
  • Late line adjustments: 3-8 (-5) (YTD: 8-8 (+0))
WeekAwayHomeOpenMidLateMid $Late $FinalMid CorrectLate CorrectChart Link
2Cincinnati BengalsCleveland Browns4643.543.5UnderNA65-10Game
2Detroit LionsGreen Bay Packers4649.549.5OverNA6310Game
2New York GiantsChicago Bears434242UnderNA3010Game
2Jacksonville JaguarsTennessee Titans434244UnderOver63-11Game
2Atlanta FalconsDallas Cowboys505453.5OverUnder791-1Game
2San Francisco 49ersNew York Jets43.542.541.5UnderUnder44-1-1Game
2Los Angeles RamsPhiladelphia Eagles484645.5UnderUnder56-1-1Game
2Carolina PanthersTampa Bay Buccaneers48.547.547.5UnderNA51-10Game
2Denver BroncosPittsburgh Steelers4341.540.5UnderUnder47-1-1Game
2Minnesota VikingsIndianapolis Colts464849OverOver39-1-1Game
2Buffalo BillsMiami Dolphins4341.541UnderUnder59-1-1Game
2Washington Football TeamArizona Cardinals4647.546.5OverUnder45-11Game
2Kansas City ChiefsLos Angeles Chargers50.547.547.5UnderNA4310Game
2Baltimore RavensHouston Texans5351.550UnderUnder4911Game
2New England PatriotsSeattle Seahawks444544.5OverUnder651-1Game
2New Orleans SaintsLas Vegas Raiders50.549.548.5UnderUnder58-1-1Game

Source for Odds: Oddsshark.com

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Recap

NFL Week 2 Spread Line Movement Results

Hi all, Here’s how the line movement played out against the actual results.

This is the last week I’ll be using Oddsshark. Starting this week we’ll switch to Pinnacle.

Just a reminder of terminology:

  • Open date: 1 week prior to game day
  • Mid: Any change between open and 1 day prior to game day
  • Late: Any change 1 day prior to game day

Summary

  • Midweek line adjustments: 10-4 (+6) (YTD: 16-8 (+8))
  • Late line adjustments: 6-3 (+3) (YTD: 11-5 (+6))
WeekAwayHomeOpenMidLateMid $Late $FinalMid CorrectLate CorrectChart Link
2Cincinnati BengalsCleveland Browns-7.5-6-6UnderdogNA-510Game
2Detroit LionsGreen Bay Packers-6-6.5-6FavoriteUnderdog-211-1Game
2New York GiantsChicago Bears-5.5-5.5-5.5NANA-400Game
2Jacksonville JaguarsTennessee Titans-11-9-7.5UnderdogUnderdog-311Game
2Atlanta FalconsDallas Cowboys-7-4.5-4UnderdogUnderdog-111Game
2San Francisco 49ersNew York Jets677FavoriteNA1810Game
2Los Angeles RamsPhiladelphia Eagles-3.510UnderdogFavorite181-1Game
2Carolina PanthersTampa Bay Buccaneers-8-9.5-8.5FavoriteUnderdog141-1Game
2Denver BroncosPittsburgh Steelers-6-7.5-7FavoriteUnderdog-5-11Game
2Minnesota VikingsIndianapolis Colts-2.5-3-3FavoriteNA-1710Game
2Buffalo BillsMiami Dolphins3.55.55.5FavoriteNA3-10Game
2Washington Football TeamArizona Cardinals-6.5-6.5-7NAFavorite-1501Game
2Kansas City ChiefsLos Angeles Chargers6.58.58.5FavoriteNA3-10Game
2Baltimore RavensHouston Texans5.577.5FavoriteFavorite1711Game
2New England PatriotsSeattle Seahawks-3.5-4-4FavoriteNA-510Game
2New Orleans SaintsLas Vegas Raiders4.55.55.5FavoriteNA-10-10Game

Source for Odds: Oddsshark.com

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Podcast Recap

2020 Season – NFL Week 1 Recap

This week, with just one game in the books, we’ll speculate wildly about the fates of more than a few teams and talk about who is on their way to the top and who has a steep climb ahead. We’ll also talk about what we expect in Week 2 and what unexpected things we should expect.

2020 – Week 1 Recap – Episode 2 The Stakehouse Sports Podcast

Paul and Chris hit the old 2Bar whiskey and toast wins by both the Seahawks and Raiders. They also review the crowd wisdom’s performance and deliver some wildly reactionary hot takes.
  1. 2020 – Week 1 Recap – Episode 2
  2. 2020 – NFL Regular Season Preview – Episode 1
  3. 2020 Season – Welcome Back! – Episode 0
  4. 2019 Season – Game 267 – Episode 25
  5. 2019 Season – Regular Season Recap Extravaganza – Episode 24
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Show Notes

Barrel Wagers & Whiskey

  • A barrel wager is a prediction in which we’re so confident we’d wager everything we own… but that if we get it wrong we’d be left wearing nothing but a barrel.
  • Whiskey: 2Bar Straight Bourbon whiskey (same as last week)… reminder it’s from 2Bar Distillery right here in smokey Seattle
  • Chris: Bucs to beat the Saints (cover as underdogs)
    • I have way more faith in Tom Brady than I probably should after watching him rip my heart out for 20 years.
    • At the end of the day, he had a pretty bad game, just 240 yards, 2 TDs and 2 INTs .
    • Not sure if it’s just newness with his team, but it was a trap from the get go, and I won’t fall for that again.
  • Paul: Titans to cover the -3-point spread in Denver
  • We’re both off to a rough start at 0-1 out of the gate

Crowd Results

Highlights and lowlights:

  • Bagels – No bagels this week. The crowd got at least one category correct in every game. Nice start!
  • Trifectas – Cowboys at Rams
    • Crowd Prediction: DAL 24, LAR 25 (Rams win and cover as an underdog, under 51.5)
    • Actual Score: DAL 17, LAR 20

Weekly Crowd Summary

  • Overall Crowd score for the week: 49 points
  • 11-5 straight-up
    • Off to a nice start with a 68.75% winning percentage straight-up
  • 6-9-1 ATS
    • The crowd had a really tough time with the spread this week
    • With a small crowd (only 8 total predictors), the average can be skewed pretty easily by one prediction.
    • Also it’s week 1 of a season like we’ve never seen, so not too surprising that the crowd wisdom struggled.
    • We’re starting off in a deep hole with only a 40% winning percentage ATS, but plenty of time to recover obviously
  • 7-8-1 against the total
    • The over-under went the way of Goldilocks in week 1 and starts off the crowd with a not bad, but not good 46.67% winning percentage (when accounting for the push)
  • 8 total predictors

Detailed Crowd Records

Crowd Records so far:

  • Straight-up:
    • Favorites: 10-5
    • Underdogs: 1-0
  • Spread:
    • Favorites: 1-2-1
    • Thread-the-needle: 4-7
    • Underdog: 1-0
  • Over-under:
    • Over: 4-4
    • Under: 3-4-1

Contest Results

  • Contest Results:
    • NFL Pickwatch – it’s a little too early to start talking about seeding (won’t start doing this until maybe week 7-8 or so) but we’ll keep track of the crowd’s running record and see where that would land in Pickwatch’s overall leaderboards of both public users and experts
      • Straight-up overall record: 11-5 (68.75%)
      • ATS overall record: 6-9-1 (40%)
    • MyBookie.ag Super Contest – 3-2 this week
      • Panthers +3 versus the Raiders – Loss
      • Seahawks -1 at the Falcons – Win
      • Jaguars +8 versus the Colts – Win
      • Cardinals +6.5 at the Niners – Win
      • Bucs +3.5 at the Saints – Loss
      • So far, we’re 3-2, which is better than the alternative.

Hot Take Counter

Expect the unexpected! Week 1 promised to be an “anyone’s best guess” kind of week, and it mostly was… there were some predictable outcomes for sure, but also some upsets that felt surprising to most… Let’s start with the mostly-expected results with the teams that seem well on their way to the top after a solid first week:

  • Who’s well on their way to  the top
    • Seahawks, Packers, Ravens, Chiefs, Saints
      • All had very impressive performances in their Week 1 wins.
      • They either turned in dominant wins at home or solid wins on the road.
  • Who has a steep climb ahead of them
    • This is mostly about expectations; if you had high expectations for this season, did they take a big hit?
    • Colts, Browns, Lions, Eagles, Niners
    • They either lost to teams that were projected to be worse or performed very poorly overall.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

Here’s who came out on top on our Leaderboards in Week 1.

  • Prediction Score: Jordan and Chris tie with 59 total points
    • Straight-up: 10 for Jordan, 11 for Chris
    • ATS: 7 for Jordan, 9 for Chris
    • O/U: 10 for Jordan, 8 for Chris
    • Jordan hit 5 bull’s-eyes to Chris’ 3
  • Perfect Predictions (10-pointers):
    • No perfect predictions this week
  • Stake Stacks of the Week: 
    • Jordan had the best week at the Stakes Table winning both the biggest stake stack and the best ROI
    • Biggest Stack
      • Jordan – 12 net stakes on 40 stakes wagered, edging out Bryan Cole
    • Best ROI
      • Jordan – Those 12 net stakes also returned a 30% return on investment

Wrap-up

Head over to stakehousesports.com to download the app and start predicting (or predict using our web app. Remember, you can win up to $50 a week in Amazon gift cards as well as a prestigious shout-out on this here program. Odds update daily, so make sure to check your predictions before gametime.

You can also follow us on Twitter using handle @houseofstakes, and on Facebook at facebook.com/stakehousesports. And you can always contact us at podcast@stakehousesports.com.

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NFL Week 1 Total Line Movement Results

We got some good responses from the Spread line movement post yesterday, so I will also post my analysis of the line movement for the totals.

A few terminology definitions:

  • Open date: 1 week prior to game day
  • Mid: Any change between open and 1 day prior to game day
  • Late: Any change 1 day prior to game day

Summary:

  • Midweek line adjustments: 6-5 (+1)
  • Late line adjustments: 5-0 (+5)
AwayHomeOpenMinLateMid $Late $Final TotalMid CorrectLate Correct
HOUKC53.55454OverNA5410
GBMIN4644.544.5UnderNA77-10
MIANE434241.5UnderUnder3211
CHIDET444242.5UnderOver50-11
SEAATL494949NANA6300
PHIWAS434242UnderNA44-10
INDJAC454545NANA4700
CLEBAL48.54847.5UnderUnder4411
NYJBUF39.539.539.5NANA4400
LVCAR47.547.548.5NAOver6401
LACCIN4441.541.5UnderNA2910
ARISF47.54848OverNA44-10
TBNO49.547.547.5UnderNA57-10
DALLAR5251.551.5UnderNA3710
PITNYG47.54645UnderUnder4211
TENDEN414141NANA3000

Source for Odds: Oddsshark.com

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Recap

NFL Week 1 Spread Line Movement Results

We will be tracking the spread line movements for the NFL this season to see if there is any indication of line movement and value.

Here are a few terminology definitions:

Open date: 1 week prior to game day

Mid: Any change between open and 1 day prior to game day

Late: Any change 1 day prior to game day

Summary:

  • Midweek line adjustments: 6-3 (+3)
  • Late line adjustments: 5-2 (+3)
WeekAwayHomeOpenMidLateMid $Late $FinalMid CorrectLate CorrectChart Link
1HOUKC-9.5-9-9UnderdogNA-1400Game
1LVCAR2.533FavoriteNA410Game
1CLEBAL-8-7-7.5UnderdogFavorite-32-11Game
1INDJAC7.588UnderdogNA-7-10Game
1CHIDET-1.5-3-2.5FavoriteUnderdog4-11Game
1MIANE-6-6.5-7FavoriteFavorite-1011Game
1PHIWAS65.55.5UnderdogNA-1010Game
1NYJBUF-6.5-6.5-6.5NANA-1000Game
1GBMIN2.52.52.5NANA900Game
1SEAATL12.51FavoriteUnderdog131-1Game
1LACCIN333NANA300Game
1ARISF-7-7-6.5NAUnderdog401Game
1TBNO333NANA-1100Game
1DALLAR32.52UnderdogUnderdog-311Game
1PITNYG4.566FavoriteNA1010Game
1TENDEN2.52.53NAFavorite20-1Game

Source for Odds: Oddsshark.com

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2020 Season – NFL Regular Season Predictions

This week, we’re going to add to the many season-win predictions before the 2020 NFL season kicks off. We’ll talk about who we like to make it to the playoffs, but most importantly, we’ll talk about why we’ll almost certainly be wrong. We also enjoy some 2Bar Whiskey along the way.

2020 – Week 1 Recap – Episode 2 The Stakehouse Sports Podcast

Paul and Chris hit the old 2Bar whiskey and toast wins by both the Seahawks and Raiders. They also review the crowd wisdom’s performance and deliver some wildly reactionary hot takes.
  1. 2020 – Week 1 Recap – Episode 2
  2. 2020 – NFL Regular Season Preview – Episode 1
  3. 2020 Season – Welcome Back! – Episode 0
  4. 2019 Season – Game 267 – Episode 25
  5. 2019 Season – Regular Season Recap Extravaganza – Episode 24

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Show Notes

We are so psyched that the NFL got itself organized and has shown that responsible behavior can limit the spread of COVID-19.

With that out of the way, here are the notes from our NFL Season Preview episode:

Whiskey of the Week

  • Our whiskey of the week is the Straight Bourbon Whiskey from 2Bar Spirits.

Other Contests

As we did last season, we’ll be testing our crowd’s predicting prowess in a couple open “supercontests”… We’ll take the crowd’s final aggregate score predictions for each game compared to the same consensus betting lines we use to calculate our scoring model and apply this “crowd wisdom” in a real-world scenario.

NFL Pickwatch (Paul)

  • Our crowd’s picks straight-up and ATS plugged into NFL Pickwatch to see how they stack up against all the other predictors and experts tracked by Pickwatch
  • Not using crowd picks for the supercontest because it would be way too complicated (involves wagering virtual PW “coins”)

MyBookie Super Contest (Chris)

  • We will use a secret formula/methodology to determine our crowd’s 5 “best picks” of each week to make picks in the MyBookie.ag super contest.
  • Here’s the rub: If the crowd cromes through and we end up in the money, we’ll be sharing the prize money with our overall winners. The more people we have, the better the crowd wisdom, so make sure to tell your friends!

Division-by-Division Preview

AFC East

  • Paul:
    • Buf: 9-7, NE: 7-9, MIA: 3-13, NYJ: 3-13
  • Chris:
    • Buf: 9-7, NE: 9-7, MIA: 6-10, NYJ: 5-11
      • Buffalo takes the division with a better division record

AFC West:

  • Chris
    • KC: 13-3, LV: 7-9, DEN: 6-10, LAC: 4-12
  • Paul
    • KC: 12-4, DEN: 7-9, LV: 7-9, LAC: 6-10

AFC North:

  • Paul:
    • BAL: 11-5, PIT: 9-7, CIN: 5-11, CLE: 3-13
  • Chris:
    • BAL: 14-2, PIT: 12-4, CLE: 6-10, CIN: 4-12

AFC South:

  • Chris:
    • IND: 10-6, HOU: 10-6, TEN: 8-8, JAC: 3-13
  • Paul:
    • TEN: 12-4, HOU: 12-4, IND: 10-6, JAC: 3-13

AFC Playoff Standings (Chris)

  1. BAL (14-2)
  2. KC (13-3)
  3. IND (10-6)
  4. BUF (9-7, 5-1 in division)
  5. PIT (12-4)
  6. HOU (10-6)
  7. NE (9-7)

AFC Playoff Seedings (Paul)

  1. Tennessee Titans (12-4, 10-2 CONF, South Winner)
  2. Kansas City Chiefs (12-4, 9-3 CONF, West Winner)
  3. Baltimore Ravens (11-5, 7-5 CONF, North Winner)
  4. Buffalo Bills (9-7, 8-4 CONF, East Winner)
  5. Houston Texans (12-4, 8-4 CONF)
  6. Indianapolis Colts (10-6, 8-4 CONF)
  7. Pittsburgh Steelers (9-7, 8-4 CONF)

And now on to the NFC…

NFC East:

  • Chris:
    • DAL: 10-6, PHI: 6-10, NYG: 4-12, WAS: 2-14
  • Paul:
    • DAL: 11-5, PHI: 10-6, NYG: 4-12, WAS: 3-13

NFC West:

  • Paul:
    • SF: 13-3, SEA: 11-5, LAR: 10-6, ARI: 7-9
  • Chris:
    • SF: 13-3, SEA: 12-4, LAR: 11-5, ARI: 5-11

NFC North:

  • Chris:
    • GB: 13-3, MIN: 7-9, CHI: 4-12, DET: 3-13
  • Paul:
    • GB-13-3, MIN 9-7, CHI: 6-10, DET: 4-12

NFC South:

  • Paul:
    • NO: 12-4, TB: 10-6, ATL: 7-9, CAR: 6-10
  • Chris:
    • TB: 13-3, NO: 13-3, ATL: 9-7, CAR: 2-14

NFC Playoff Seedings (Chris)

  1. SF (13-3, 10-2 in Conf)
  2. GB (13-3)
  3. TB (13-3)
  4. DAL (10-6)
  5. NO (13-3)
  6. SEA (12-4)
  7. LAR (11-5)

NFC Playoff Seedings (Paul)

  1. Green Bay Packers (13-3, 11-1 CONF, North Winner)
  2. SF 49ers (13-3, 9-3 CONF, West Winner)
  3. NO Saints (12-4, 8-4 CONF, South Winner)
  4. Dallas Cowboys (11-5, 8-4 CONF, East Winner)
  5. Seattle Seahawks (11-5, 7-5 CONF)
  6. Philadelphia Eagles (10-6, 7-5 CONF)
  7. Tampa Bay Bucs (10-6, 7-5 CONF)

(Rams just missing out also 10-6 but 6-6 in CONF)

Wrap-up

Head over to stakehousesports.com to download the app and start predicting (or predict using our web app. Remember, you can win up to $50 a week in Amazon gift cards as well as a prestigious shout-out on this here program. Odds update daily, so make sure to check your predictions before gametime.

You can also follow us on Twitter using handle @houseofstakes, and on Facebook at facebook.com/stakehousesports. And you can always contact us at podcast@stakehousesports.com.

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2020 Season – Welcome Back! – Episode 0

Paul and Chris return from the break and talk about all the COVID effects they foresee. Who has a leg up and who will be a step behind? Also, we enjoy some Fremont Mischief Distillery Rye Whiskey.

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Show Notes

Welcome back everyone. We hope you had a nice break since Game 267, and we hope you and yours are staying healthy. Please continue to wash your hands, practice social distancing, and wear a mask (even if you don’t think it helps slow the spread of Coronavirus, doing none of those DEFINITELY doesn’t slow the spread of the Coronavirus).

With that out of the way, here are the notes from our Welcome Back episode:

What is Stakehouse Sports about?

Stakehouse Sports is a new prediction game.

  • Instead of just predicting the winner straight up or against the spread, you predict the scores of each game.
  • By predicting the scores, you predict the winner, the spread side, and the over/under. So, you earn points for each prediction, plus you can earn bonus points for any exact predictions.
    • You can earn up to ten points for each prediction.

We’re also testing out whether the Wisdom of the Crowd can work for sports gambling.

  • Can the WotC can identify value at the sportsbooks?
  • We aggregate all of our users’ predictions to generate a crowd prediction, and we gauge that against the final score
  • Last Year’s Results:
    • Straight-up: 163 correct, 93 incorrect (63.6%)
      • 2018: 162-94 (63.2%)
    • ATS: 116 correct, 133 incorrect, 7 pushes (the final result matched the spread) (46.5%)
      • 2018: 135-111-10 (54.8%)
    • Total: 137 correct, 116 incorrect, 3 pushes (54.1%)
      • 2018: 134-117-5 (53.3%)
    • It was not a great year against the spread, but for the total, the crowd did pretty well.
    • We had about 10 regular predictors, and we’re hoping to bump that up because a single predictor can skew the average pretty significantly.

Whiskey of the Week

How will COVID effect the NFL Season?

  • Why any prediction we make will be wrong
    • Lack of crowds
      • Who benefits
        • Road teams early
        • Inexperienced O-lines
        • Veterans, established position groups, trusted coaches
      • Who doesn’t
        • Home-field advantage teams
          • KC, NO, DEN, SEA, PIT, LV
    • Lack of real-game experience
      • Who benefits
        • Experienced coaches and players
      • Who doesn’t
        • New coaches, new teammates – highly cohesive groups
          • Washington, NYG, Carolina, Browns, Cowboys
        • Rookie players
          • No mini camps and meet-ups
      • Impact players in the draft and free agency

Wrap-up

  • We’ll be rolling out our contest information next week along with our AFC Season Win Totals Podcast.
  • We hope you’ll join us and tell us what we got wrong.

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2019 Regular Season Results

Hey all, here’s a quick recap of our 2019 Regular Season Results as we gear up for the 2020 campaign.

  • Straight-up: 163-93 (63.6%)

    • 2018: 162-94 (63.2%)

  • Against the Spread: 116-133-7 (46.5%)

    • 2018: 135-111-10 (54.8%)

  • Total: 137-116-3 (54.1%)

    • 2018: 134-117-5 (53.3%)

I tend to focus on the spread results (probably because I’m in a spread pool) which makes it easy to overlook the improvement of the over/under results. Our over/under results have been remarkably consistent through the years.

If you were to tail just the over/under through the season, you’d make a profit. Spread? Not so much. 🙂

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2019 Divisional Round Weekend Crowd Results and Leaderboard

The crowd got off to a great start on Wild Card Weekend, and they did even better during the Divisional Round. Thanks to a 4-0 record picking the winners, 3-1 against the spread, and 3-1 against the total, the crowd turned $120 into almost $170!

Here are the results:

WagerStakeResultRunning Total
Chiefs ML$10$14.55$124.55
IND-KC Over 54.5$10$0$114.55
Chiefs -4.5$10$19.09$123.64
Rams ML$10$13.33$126.97
DAL-LAR Over 48$10$18.70$135.67
Cowboys +7$10$0$125.67
Patriots ML$10$15.00$130.67
LAC-NE Over 47.5$10$19.09$139.76
Patriots -4$10$19.09$148.85
Saints ML$10$12.63$151.48
PHI-NO Under 52.5$10$19.09$160.57
Eagles +8.5$10$19.09$169.66

Hit two trifectas in one day? Yes please!

This was just an outstanding weekend for the crowd, and while the Cowboys were thisclose to hitting the backdoor cover, the crowd got lucky with the Will Lutz miss that gave the Eagles the cover, so we’ll call it even.

Our Divisional Round Winners were Derek and Gemma with 21 total points. Coincidentally, that tied the crowd prediction score as well. Congrats to both!

The end-of-postseason pot now stands at $152.33 which will be split among the top 3 finishers.

The current Postseason Podium has a little room between the top two and third place, but the fight for third looks to be fierce:

  • Gemma, 37 points
  • ChrisLivdahl, 36 points
  • MichaelRaymond, 30 points

-Chris

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2019 Wild Card Weekend Crowd Results and Leaderboard

The crowd got off to a great start on Wild Card Weekend, turning a tidy profit of $15 off the initial stake of $120.

Here are the results:

Wager Stake Result Running Total
Colts ML $10 $20.50 $130.50
Colts +1.5 $10 $19.09 $139.59
IND-HOU Under 48.5 $10 $19.09 $148.68
Seahawks ML $10 $0 $138.68
Seahawks +2.5 $10 $19.52 $148.20
SEA-DAL Over 43 $10 $19.09 $157.29
BAL ML $10 $0 $147.29
LAC +3 $10 $18.70 $155.99
LAC-BAL Over 43 $10 $0 $145.99
CHI ML $10 $0 $135.99

So, the lesson here is that hitting the trifecta with an underdog is a great way to improve your return, so if you can do that, I highly recommend it.

Our Wild Card Winner was Lawrence, and he takes home $67.50. Congratulations Lawrence!

The current Postseason Podium is crowded:

  • Lawrence, 19 points
  • Ausame, 18 points
  • ChrisLivdahl, 18 points

-Chris